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	<title>Comments on: HTML5 drag and drop in Firefox 3.5</title>
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		<title>By: BeyondHTML5 &#124; Blog &#124; Drag and drop fun</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/07/html5-drag-and-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-526386</link>
		<dc:creator>BeyondHTML5 &#124; Blog &#124; Drag and drop fun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 03:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] thats really it. Simple, huh? Check out an example (code, demo)For more information, see:http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/07/html5-drag-and-drop/http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/dnd.html#the-datatransfer-interface  Tweet  Posted in HTML5 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] thats really it. Simple, huh? Check out an example (code, demo)For more information, see:<a href="http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/07/html5-drag-and-drop/http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/dnd.html#the-datatransfer-interface" rel="nofollow">http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/07/html5-drag-and-drop/http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/dnd.html#the-datatransfer-interface</a>  Tweet  Posted in HTML5 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anil Namde</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/07/html5-drag-and-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-365063</link>
		<dc:creator>Anil Namde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 13:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We generally use the feature detection in the JavaScript to see if something is supported or not. But its not working nicely across the browser can you please check the question asked below on stackoverflow mentioned below?
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3828183/html5-datatransfer-detection-error-in-chrome

// works on Firefox however now working for IE, Safari and Chrome
if (&quot;files&quot; in DataTransfer.prototype) {
    alert(&quot;supported&quot;);
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We generally use the feature detection in the JavaScript to see if something is supported or not. But its not working nicely across the browser can you please check the question asked below on stackoverflow mentioned below?<br />
<a href="http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3828183/html5-datatransfer-detection-error-in-chrome" rel="nofollow">http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3828183/html5-datatransfer-detection-error-in-chrome</a></p>
<p>// works on Firefox however now working for IE, Safari and Chrome<br />
if (&#8220;files&#8221; in DataTransfer.prototype) {<br />
    alert(&#8220;supported&#8221;);<br />
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		<title>By: Marcio</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/07/html5-drag-and-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-100457</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 03:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simple... it&#039;s useful when you don&#039;t want draggable elements in your page while JavaScript is disabled.
Users will not be able to drag things around in case the page is not fully functional and you will be totally shure that only a graceful degraded version of the application is going to be available.

;)

Great post by the way. Can&#039;t see why some readers think the code is &quot;NOT readable at all&quot;... so go there and waste your time typing 4.000 lines of code and we will see what&#039;s really readable =D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simple&#8230; it&#8217;s useful when you don&#8217;t want draggable elements in your page while JavaScript is disabled.<br />
Users will not be able to drag things around in case the page is not fully functional and you will be totally shure that only a graceful degraded version of the application is going to be available.</p>
<p>;)</p>
<p>Great post by the way. Can&#8217;t see why some readers think the code is &#8220;NOT readable at all&#8221;&#8230; so go there and waste your time typing 4.000 lines of code and we will see what&#8217;s really readable =D</p>
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		<title>By: bit</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/07/html5-drag-and-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-89961</link>
		<dc:creator>bit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 21:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And another thing... why use a class and append &quot;draggable=true&quot; to it when you can just markup elements with draggable=&quot;true&quot; and loop through them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And another thing&#8230; why use a class and append &#8220;draggable=true&#8221; to it when you can just markup elements with draggable=&#8221;true&#8221; and loop through them?</p>
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		<title>By: Kalle</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/07/html5-drag-and-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-47982</link>
		<dc:creator>Kalle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 15:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The mistake with using jQuery is that not everybody knows jQuery (like myself). I come to this example by hopping from the Mozilla page on new features in FF 3.5, and I am now forced to go look into jQuery just to figure out how the example works. I don&#039;t mind libs, but when I&#039;m testing new features I prefer to test them in plain javascript first. I still don&#039;t have a working example in JS, but I would have had one if the example here had been in plain JS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mistake with using jQuery is that not everybody knows jQuery (like myself). I come to this example by hopping from the Mozilla page on new features in FF 3.5, and I am now forced to go look into jQuery just to figure out how the example works. I don&#8217;t mind libs, but when I&#8217;m testing new features I prefer to test them in plain javascript first. I still don&#8217;t have a working example in JS, but I would have had one if the example here had been in plain JS.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Holloway</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/07/html5-drag-and-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-42179</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Holloway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does this also work if you&#039;ve got an image in your clipboard and you paste it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this also work if you&#8217;ve got an image in your clipboard and you paste it?</p>
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		<title>By: WebManWalking</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/07/html5-drag-and-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-35272</link>
		<dc:creator>WebManWalking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Neil Deakin: Correct me if I&#039;m mistaken, but doesn&#039;t John Resig work for mozilla.org too? If so, &quot;why so serious&quot;? 

There&#039;s a real problem with consistent ghosting (at least, of text) as the default drag image on Windows Firefox (even now, months later, in 3.5.5). Just over the cubicle partition where I work, my coworker Melvin is getting text draggables ghosted, but I&#039;m not, even though I wrote the code. Is it because I have Firebug? Maybe the Windows Firefox developers could ask Mac Firefox developers how they did it? 

@I.m.orchard: I was able to get your jQuery code working on every major Mac/PC platform except Opera 10. I had to removeClass in the drop handler in addition to the dragleave handler because some browsers don&#039;t fire the dragleave event if you drop. (That is, if you don&#039;t removeClass there too, you get a persistent highlighting of the droppable in those browsers.) 

Your code here is much lighter weight than including all of jquery.ui just for its drag-and-drop support. Thanks a bunch (&quot;Fargo&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Neil Deakin: Correct me if I&#8217;m mistaken, but doesn&#8217;t John Resig work for mozilla.org too? If so, &#8220;why so serious&#8221;? </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a real problem with consistent ghosting (at least, of text) as the default drag image on Windows Firefox (even now, months later, in 3.5.5). Just over the cubicle partition where I work, my coworker Melvin is getting text draggables ghosted, but I&#8217;m not, even though I wrote the code. Is it because I have Firebug? Maybe the Windows Firefox developers could ask Mac Firefox developers how they did it? </p>
<p>@I.m.orchard: I was able to get your jQuery code working on every major Mac/PC platform except Opera 10. I had to removeClass in the drop handler in addition to the dragleave handler because some browsers don&#8217;t fire the dragleave event if you drop. (That is, if you don&#8217;t removeClass there too, you get a persistent highlighting of the droppable in those browsers.) </p>
<p>Your code here is much lighter weight than including all of jquery.ui just for its drag-and-drop support. Thanks a bunch (&#8220;Fargo&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: HB</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/07/html5-drag-and-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-7985</link>
		<dc:creator>HB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree that jQuery is a lot easier to write than it is to read, I don&#039;t think the jQuery code in this example is that difficult to absorb. It&#039;s not my library of choice but it&#039;s pretty obvious what&#039;s going on.

The meat and potatoes appears to be plain JavaScript anyway, the only things replaced by jQuery are attaching events and the ubiquitous selection tool.

Thanks for this post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that jQuery is a lot easier to write than it is to read, I don&#8217;t think the jQuery code in this example is that difficult to absorb. It&#8217;s not my library of choice but it&#8217;s pretty obvious what&#8217;s going on.</p>
<p>The meat and potatoes appears to be plain JavaScript anyway, the only things replaced by jQuery are attaching events and the ubiquitous selection tool.</p>
<p>Thanks for this post!</p>
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		<title>By: HTML5 drag and drop in Firefox 3.5 &#124; En Blog Alta</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/07/html5-drag-and-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-2793</link>
		<dc:creator>HTML5 drag and drop in Firefox 3.5 &#124; En Blog Alta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 03:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] hey, look! It’s another blog post—and this one is cross-posted on hacks.mozilla.com. I won’t say this is the start of a renewed blogging habit, but let’s see what [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] hey, look! It’s another blog post—and this one is cross-posted on hacks.mozilla.com. I won’t say this is the start of a renewed blogging habit, but let’s see what [...]</p>
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		<title>By: l.m.orchard</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/07/html5-drag-and-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-2090</link>
		<dc:creator>l.m.orchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Laurent: Thank you for the kind comments.  How would you fix this article to correct the mess and mistakes everywhere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Laurent: Thank you for the kind comments.  How would you fix this article to correct the mess and mistakes everywhere?</p>
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		<title>By: Inflecto Systems [Web Based Applications]</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/07/html5-drag-and-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-2089</link>
		<dc:creator>Inflecto Systems [Web Based Applications]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 12:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article. We have been using JQuery based drag and drop for quite a bit but this can be pretty flakey sometimes. Some of the stuff in HTML 5 and CSS 3 is really great. 

We have just got to run a campaign to kill off some of the older browsers on the net now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article. We have been using JQuery based drag and drop for quite a bit but this can be pretty flakey sometimes. Some of the stuff in HTML 5 and CSS 3 is really great. </p>
<p>We have just got to run a campaign to kill off some of the older browsers on the net now!</p>
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		<title>By: Laurent</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/07/html5-drag-and-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-2068</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 23:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with Neil, the use of jQuery is a total mistake. And this is NOT a readable code, jQuery is NOT readable at all, it is just mess and mistakes everywhere. Using jQuery makes this example totally miss its point. This is NOT a practical introduction to the new event, it is just confusing because of the crappy jQuery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with Neil, the use of jQuery is a total mistake. And this is NOT a readable code, jQuery is NOT readable at all, it is just mess and mistakes everywhere. Using jQuery makes this example totally miss its point. This is NOT a practical introduction to the new event, it is just confusing because of the crappy jQuery.</p>
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		<title>By: l.m.orchard</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/07/html5-drag-and-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-2049</link>
		<dc:creator>l.m.orchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@David L.: Strange - I can&#039;t reproduce the drop effect issue, neither on my Mac nor with Windows in a VM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David L.: Strange &#8211; I can&#8217;t reproduce the drop effect issue, neither on my Mac nor with Windows in a VM.</p>
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		<title>By: HTML 5 Weekly Review #3 &#124; Jeff Siarto</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/07/html5-drag-and-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-2042</link>
		<dc:creator>HTML 5 Weekly Review #3 &#124; Jeff Siarto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 5 Drag and Drop A write‐​up on the fea­tures and usage of HTML 5 drag and drop in Fire­fox [...]</description>
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		<title>By: l.m.orchard</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/07/html5-drag-and-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-2022</link>
		<dc:creator>l.m.orchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Neil: I&#039;m sorry you&#039;re displeased.  What would you consider the correct way to use the drag &amp; drop feature?  Am I using it improperly with jQuery - if so, how could the examples be corrected?

Or, is the use of jQuery the thing to which you object?  Because, if that&#039;s it, I&#039;ll say that jQuery is one of the most popular JS frameworks - and thus will be the way many web developers approach the new drag &amp; drop events.

We&#039;ve got full docs on the events at developer.mozilla.org.  Since this article is at hacks.mozilla.org, it was intended to be a practical introduction to the new events.

Apropos of that, jQuery allowed this to be done with concise and (hopefully) readable code that might be directly useful to webdevs.  Users of other frameworks (or none at all) should be able to port the examples accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Neil: I&#8217;m sorry you&#8217;re displeased.  What would you consider the correct way to use the drag &amp; drop feature?  Am I using it improperly with jQuery &#8211; if so, how could the examples be corrected?</p>
<p>Or, is the use of jQuery the thing to which you object?  Because, if that&#8217;s it, I&#8217;ll say that jQuery is one of the most popular JS frameworks &#8211; and thus will be the way many web developers approach the new drag &amp; drop events.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve got full docs on the events at developer.mozilla.org.  Since this article is at hacks.mozilla.org, it was intended to be a practical introduction to the new events.</p>
<p>Apropos of that, jQuery allowed this to be done with concise and (hopefully) readable code that might be directly useful to webdevs.  Users of other frameworks (or none at all) should be able to port the examples accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Blizzard</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/07/html5-drag-and-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-2020</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Blizzard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Neil - really?  Lots of people use jQuery.  I&#039;m fine with using libraries from time to time and even using them in examples.  Les wrote the article and it was his call but I never gave it a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Neil &#8211; really?  Lots of people use jQuery.  I&#8217;m fine with using libraries from time to time and even using them in examples.  Les wrote the article and it was his call but I never gave it a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Remy Sharp</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/07/html5-drag-and-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-1989</link>
		<dc:creator>Remy Sharp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great tutorial, and particularly good use of jQuery - just slightly a pain that you have to dip in to the &quot;originalEvent&quot; to get the dataTransfer out - but since it&#039;s a custom object, it&#039;s the only way for now.

I wrote up &lt;a href=&quot;http://html5doctor.com/native-drag-and-drop/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;HTML 5 native drag and drop&lt;/a&gt; myself on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://html5doctor.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;HTML 5 Doctor&lt;/a&gt; site last week, which also covers custom drag images - but also how to get this working in &quot;other&quot; browsers too.  Thought it might be useful to your readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great tutorial, and particularly good use of jQuery &#8211; just slightly a pain that you have to dip in to the &#8220;originalEvent&#8221; to get the dataTransfer out &#8211; but since it&#8217;s a custom object, it&#8217;s the only way for now.</p>
<p>I wrote up <a href="http://html5doctor.com/native-drag-and-drop/" rel="nofollow">HTML 5 native drag and drop</a> myself on the <a href="http://html5doctor.com" rel="nofollow">HTML 5 Doctor</a> site last week, which also covers custom drag images &#8211; but also how to get this working in &#8220;other&#8221; browsers too.  Thought it might be useful to your readers.</p>
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		<title>By: l.m.orchard</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/07/html5-drag-and-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-1985</link>
		<dc:creator>l.m.orchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Drazick: Alas, no drag-and-drop file uploads so far, neither in the HTML 5 spec nor in Firefox.  I think there are some issues to work out with the concept, but I hope it&#039;s eventually possible

@Herohtar: Yeah, I think that cursor feedback is the same as what you&#039;d find in Windows Explorer, too.  I think the thing is that since drag and drop in the browser up until now has been generally non-standard with respect to the OS, the standard OS behavior looks wrong in a browser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Drazick: Alas, no drag-and-drop file uploads so far, neither in the HTML 5 spec nor in Firefox.  I think there are some issues to work out with the concept, but I hope it&#8217;s eventually possible</p>
<p>@Herohtar: Yeah, I think that cursor feedback is the same as what you&#8217;d find in Windows Explorer, too.  I think the thing is that since drag and drop in the browser up until now has been generally non-standard with respect to the OS, the standard OS behavior looks wrong in a browser.</p>
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		<title>By: Herohtar</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/07/html5-drag-and-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-1984</link>
		<dc:creator>Herohtar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, I tested it again today and it didn&#039;t have any problems. I&#039;m not sure what was making the new method lag before.

After playing with it some more I think the cursor feedback makes sense, as it&#039;s more in line with how image dragging works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, I tested it again today and it didn&#8217;t have any problems. I&#8217;m not sure what was making the new method lag before.</p>
<p>After playing with it some more I think the cursor feedback makes sense, as it&#8217;s more in line with how image dragging works.</p>
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		<title>By: Richie</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/07/html5-drag-and-drop/comment-page-1/#comment-1983</link>
		<dc:creator>Richie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drag and drop in Firefox 3.1 allowed me to drag tabs to the desktop or into a folder and get links. Now when I drag tabs I see an image of the web page, but no link ever appears when I release the mouse button.

Also I was able to drag tabs into Gmail messages in 3.1 and get a nicely formatted link showing the bookmark/page title and containing an embedded url, now I only get an unformatted plain-text url.

Is this related to the new HTML5?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drag and drop in Firefox 3.1 allowed me to drag tabs to the desktop or into a folder and get links. Now when I drag tabs I see an image of the web page, but no link ever appears when I release the mouse button.</p>
<p>Also I was able to drag tabs into Gmail messages in 3.1 and get a nicely formatted link showing the bookmark/page title and containing an embedded url, now I only get an unformatted plain-text url.</p>
<p>Is this related to the new HTML5?</p>
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