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		<title>By: Mozilla Firefox arriva alla 3.5! &#124; Open your Mind . .</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/update-on-open-video-quality/comment-page-4/#comment-7142</link>
		<dc:creator>Mozilla Firefox arriva alla 3.5! &#124; Open your Mind . .</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] agli elementi &lt;video&gt; e &lt;audio&gt; di HTML5, incluso il supporto nativo ai video con codifica Ogg Theora e all’audio con codifica Vorbis (fai un test [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dmitry</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/update-on-open-video-quality/comment-page-4/#comment-3251</link>
		<dc:creator>Dmitry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great thanks for new VIDEO tag. I use ogg for web TV streaming. But how I did understand, new VIDEO element not yet support stream video - infinite file. This element can only single files play. It is thuth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great thanks for new VIDEO tag. I use ogg for web TV streaming. But how I did understand, new VIDEO element not yet support stream video &#8211; infinite file. This element can only single files play. It is thuth?</p>
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		<title>By: Firefox 3.5 (A.K.A. Shiretoko)</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/update-on-open-video-quality/comment-page-4/#comment-2791</link>
		<dc:creator>Firefox 3.5 (A.K.A. Shiretoko)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 02:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for the HTML5 &lt;video&gt; and &lt;audio&gt; elements including native support for Ogg Theora encoded video and Vorbis encoded audio. (Try it [...]</description>
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		<title>By: جديد موزيلا Firefox 3.5 دعم للهوتمل الاصدار الخامس &#171; مدونة</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/update-on-open-video-quality/comment-page-4/#comment-2778</link>
		<dc:creator>جديد موزيلا Firefox 3.5 دعم للهوتمل الاصدار الخامس &#171; مدونة</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 22:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 3.5 has support for the HTML5 &lt;video&gt; and &lt;audio&gt; elements including native support for Ogg Theora encoded video and Vorbis encoded [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Zio Magazine Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mozilla Firefox 3.5</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/update-on-open-video-quality/comment-page-4/#comment-2702</link>
		<dc:creator>Zio Magazine Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mozilla Firefox 3.5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] agli elementi &lt;video&gt; e &lt;audio&gt; di HTML5, incluso il supporto nativo ai video con codifica Ogg Theora e all&#8217;audio con codifica Vorbis (fai un test [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 谋智社区 &#187; Blog Archives &#187; 颠覆网络35天 ─ “开放视频编码和质量”一文的更新</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/update-on-open-video-quality/comment-page-4/#comment-2498</link>
		<dc:creator>谋智社区 &#187; Blog Archives &#187; 颠覆网络35天 ─ “开放视频编码和质量”一文的更新</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 03:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 原文地址：an update on open video codecs and quality 系列地址：颠覆网络35天 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Algunas Actualizaciones &#171; El Bl®ck de PuPiLo)</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/update-on-open-video-quality/comment-page-4/#comment-2296</link>
		<dc:creator>Algunas Actualizaciones &#171; El Bl®ck de PuPiLo)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] y &lt;audio&gt; de HTML 5, incluyendo audio codificado en Vorbis y vídeo codificado en Ogg Theora de manera nativa (¡Pruébalo [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] y &lt;audio&gt; de HTML 5, incluyendo audio codificado en Vorbis y vídeo codificado en Ogg Theora de manera nativa (¡Pruébalo [...]</p>
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		<title>By: KeV</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/update-on-open-video-quality/comment-page-4/#comment-2243</link>
		<dc:creator>KeV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said,

I&#039;m so glad we have native support and the codecs improving all the time, hopefully one day we can get rid of adverts that use flash to redirect you anywhere they like and flash LSO cookies and have code that&#039;s ratified by responsible browser developers that is as cross platform as can be and make life easier for developers by only needing to support one open format. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so glad we have native support and the codecs improving all the time, hopefully one day we can get rid of adverts that use flash to redirect you anywhere they like and flash LSO cookies and have code that&#8217;s ratified by responsible browser developers that is as cross platform as can be and make life easier for developers by only needing to support one open format. <img src='http://hacks.mozilla.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: 從tete009更換成Ayakawa（綾川版） &#124; 六尾さそりの東</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/update-on-open-video-quality/comment-page-4/#comment-2101</link>
		<dc:creator>從tete009更換成Ayakawa（綾川版） &#124; 六尾さそりの東</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 18:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] HTML5 &lt;video&gt; 和 &lt;audio&gt; 元素，包括對 Ogg Theora 編碼影像和 Vorbis [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ExcEsc &#124;</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/update-on-open-video-quality/comment-page-4/#comment-1969</link>
		<dc:creator>ExcEsc &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for the HTML5 &lt;video&gt; and &lt;audio&gt; elements including native support for Ogg Theora encoded video and Vorbis encoded audio. (Try it [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Por fin Firefox 3.5 &#124; Queni™</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/update-on-open-video-quality/comment-page-4/#comment-1924</link>
		<dc:creator>Por fin Firefox 3.5 &#124; Queni™</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] y &lt;audio&gt; de HTML 5, incluyendo audio codificado en Vorbis y vídeo codificado en Ogg Theora de manera nativa (¡Pruébalo [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] y &lt;audio&gt; de HTML 5, incluyendo audio codificado en Vorbis y vídeo codificado en Ogg Theora de manera nativa (¡Pruébalo [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Eduardo B. da C. Krukoski</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/update-on-open-video-quality/comment-page-4/#comment-1896</link>
		<dc:creator>Eduardo B. da C. Krukoski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is most important?
Create a default Audio &amp; Video codec for WEB that can be open directly on browser.
But this codec MUST be open source, with quality and low CPU power use. THEORA is a candidate. Let&#039;s test him!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is most important?<br />
Create a default Audio &amp; Video codec for WEB that can be open directly on browser.<br />
But this codec MUST be open source, with quality and low CPU power use. THEORA is a candidate. Let&#8217;s test him!</p>
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		<title>By: wanmus.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Firefox 3.5 Fastest, Smartest &#38; Safest Browser?</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/update-on-open-video-quality/comment-page-4/#comment-1889</link>
		<dc:creator>wanmus.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Firefox 3.5 Fastest, Smartest &#38; Safest Browser?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for the HTML5 &lt;video&gt; and &lt;audio&gt; elements including native support for Ogg Theora encoded video and Vorbis encoded audio. (Try it [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Beauty of the Community &#171; Aaron On Software</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/update-on-open-video-quality/comment-page-4/#comment-1820</link>
		<dc:creator>The Beauty of the Community &#171; Aaron On Software</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the new core features; support for the HTML5 &lt;video&gt; and &lt;audio&gt; elements including native support for Ogg Theora encoded video and Vorbis encoded audio. Less than 12 days later, community members have created [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nirvanknight&#8482; &#124; Personal Blog &#187; Mozilla Firefox 3.5</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/update-on-open-video-quality/comment-page-3/#comment-1793</link>
		<dc:creator>Nirvanknight&#8482; &#124; Personal Blog &#187; Mozilla Firefox 3.5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 13:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for the HTML5  and  elements including native support for Ogg Theora encoded video and Vorbis encoded [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Download Firefox 3.5, the fastest ever Firefox web browser</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/update-on-open-video-quality/comment-page-3/#comment-1744</link>
		<dc:creator>Download Firefox 3.5, the fastest ever Firefox web browser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] plugin &#8212; Firefox 3.5 now support HTML5 &lt;video&gt; and &lt;audio&gt; elements including native support for Ogg Theora encoded video and Vorbis encoded [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tomas</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/update-on-open-video-quality/comment-page-3/#comment-1739</link>
		<dc:creator>Tomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Everyone,

Clarification WHY USE THEORA + VORBIS:

1.Theora should be used instead of patent an royalties constrained Adobe Flash. Adobe Flash sucks very much, because:

a)for the playback of same quality video material it requires muuuuch more CPU power than any other decoder (Theora for that matter or Xvid);
b)it crashes everything on its way (no matter what browser or operating system you use- I tried them all, really);

2.Flash is closed source- speaks for itself and partially explained the above. Three words: security, quality, spyware;

3.The profile used by google sucks all the way and any h.264/AVC takes way too much CPU power to compress and achieve the same (or as in case of youtube worse) quality for a small web video than any other encoder (vide Theora).

4. Theres no point to use any AVC for the web as you have to pay royalties from 2010 to mpegLA even if they havn&#039;t written a single line of code. The same goes for open source Xvid- they havn&#039;t written a single line of code but claim its their patent. (Xvid is so good that some companies even tried to steal it an conceal the code, they failed miserably).

5.In order to achive good results in Theora you need two passes, but even with one pass its GREAT. For compressing DVDs I use sth. like this: QPel+ Extreme Quality Profile+ Trellis Search Quantization+ Some Image Noise Reduction+ Gauss Scaler. I also use Vorbis for Audio (Q=3). To my surprise it produced sharper image than Xvid without Qpel (rest settings the same).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Everyone,</p>
<p>Clarification WHY USE THEORA + VORBIS:</p>
<p>1.Theora should be used instead of patent an royalties constrained Adobe Flash. Adobe Flash sucks very much, because:</p>
<p>a)for the playback of same quality video material it requires muuuuch more CPU power than any other decoder (Theora for that matter or Xvid);<br />
b)it crashes everything on its way (no matter what browser or operating system you use- I tried them all, really);</p>
<p>2.Flash is closed source- speaks for itself and partially explained the above. Three words: security, quality, spyware;</p>
<p>3.The profile used by google sucks all the way and any h.264/AVC takes way too much CPU power to compress and achieve the same (or as in case of youtube worse) quality for a small web video than any other encoder (vide Theora).</p>
<p>4. Theres no point to use any AVC for the web as you have to pay royalties from 2010 to mpegLA even if they havn&#8217;t written a single line of code. The same goes for open source Xvid- they havn&#8217;t written a single line of code but claim its their patent. (Xvid is so good that some companies even tried to steal it an conceal the code, they failed miserably).</p>
<p>5.In order to achive good results in Theora you need two passes, but even with one pass its GREAT. For compressing DVDs I use sth. like this: QPel+ Extreme Quality Profile+ Trellis Search Quantization+ Some Image Noise Reduction+ Gauss Scaler. I also use Vorbis for Audio (Q=3). To my surprise it produced sharper image than Xvid without Qpel (rest settings the same).</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/update-on-open-video-quality/comment-page-3/#comment-1679</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>color saturation in H.264 is a little nicer... that might be controllable in preferences tho.</description>
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		<title>By: TGM</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/update-on-open-video-quality/comment-page-3/#comment-1664</link>
		<dc:creator>TGM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t mean any disrespect on the guy in the encoding but... I can see his spots on the Theora encoding!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mean any disrespect on the guy in the encoding but&#8230; I can see his spots on the Theora encoding!</p>
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		<title>By: TGM</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/update-on-open-video-quality/comment-page-3/#comment-1663</link>
		<dc:creator>TGM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t mean any disrespect on the guy in the example but... I can see his spots on the Theora encoding!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mean any disrespect on the guy in the example but&#8230; I can see his spots on the Theora encoding!</p>
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