Comments on: html5 video fallbacks with markup http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/html5-video-fallbacks-markup/ Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:59:58 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: HTML 5 support workarounds and fallbacks | Lambda http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/html5-video-fallbacks-markup/comment-page-1/#comment-24656 HTML 5 support workarounds and fallbacks | Lambda Sat, 03 Oct 2009 12:58:53 +0000 http://hacks.mozilla.org/?p=759#comment-24656 [...] : http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/html5-video-fallbacks-markup/ [...] [...] : http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/html5-video-fallbacks-markup/ [...]

]]> By: HTML5 video without JavaScript | akikoo.org http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/html5-video-fallbacks-markup/comment-page-1/#comment-23245 HTML5 video without JavaScript | akikoo.org Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:42:03 +0000 http://hacks.mozilla.org/?p=759#comment-23245 [...] reply on using HTML5 video without using JavaScript: http://tinyurl.com/l9c772 [...] [...] reply on using HTML5 video without using JavaScript: http://tinyurl.com/l9c772 [...]

]]> By: Christopher Blizzard: coherency vs. incrementalism | Full-Linux.com http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/html5-video-fallbacks-markup/comment-page-1/#comment-3425 Christopher Blizzard: coherency vs. incrementalism | Full-Linux.com Wed, 12 Aug 2009 06:06:23 +0000 http://hacks.mozilla.org/?p=759#comment-3425 [...] these stacks? And can they be applied in an incremental fashion? We’re starting to see that with video being promoted as a first class citizen with Flash as a trailing edge fallback. We’re starting to see the web pick up 3D capabilities [...] [...] these stacks? And can they be applied in an incremental fashion? We’re starting to see that with video being promoted as a first class citizen with Flash as a trailing edge fallback. We’re starting to see the web pick up 3D capabilities [...]

]]> By: Christopher Blizzard · coherency vs. incrementalism http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/html5-video-fallbacks-markup/comment-page-1/#comment-3279 Christopher Blizzard · coherency vs. incrementalism Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:16:30 +0000 http://hacks.mozilla.org/?p=759#comment-3279 [...] stacks? And can they be applied in an incremental fashion? We’re starting to see that with video being promoted as a first class citizen with Flash as a trailing edge fallback. We’re starting to see the web pick up 3D capabilities [...] [...] stacks? And can they be applied in an incremental fashion? We’re starting to see that with video being promoted as a first class citizen with Flash as a trailing edge fallback. We’re starting to see the web pick up 3D capabilities [...]

]]> By: video - more than just a tag at hacks.mozilla.org http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/html5-video-fallbacks-markup/comment-page-1/#comment-1721 video - more than just a tag at hacks.mozilla.org Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:33:40 +0000 http://hacks.mozilla.org/?p=759#comment-1721 [...] Here’s some more information about the fallback mechanism. [...] [...] Here’s some more information about the fallback mechanism. [...]

]]> By: Firefox 3.5 available / video tag fallbacks « Cjed Audio blog http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/html5-video-fallbacks-markup/comment-page-1/#comment-1390 Firefox 3.5 available / video tag fallbacks « Cjed Audio blog Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:59:56 +0000 http://hacks.mozilla.org/?p=759#comment-1390 [...] really better than on Firefox 3.0 (are far behind Safari’s ones). We can discover a hack to use the new video tag on all browsers (on IE we will have to emebed a Flash element inside the [...] [...] really better than on Firefox 3.0 (are far behind Safari’s ones). We can discover a hack to use the new video tag on all browsers (on IE we will have to emebed a Flash element inside the [...]

]]> By: Christopher Blizzard http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/html5-video-fallbacks-markup/comment-page-1/#comment-859 Christopher Blizzard Thu, 25 Jun 2009 05:16:45 +0000 http://hacks.mozilla.org/?p=759#comment-859 @John Dowdell - yeah, I tried it in IE 8 and it seems to be working fine. The fragment itself is pretty simple and doesn't show many of the advanced features. I could add autoplay which all of the html5-video browsers support. As for script access someone is working on a neat little access library that will wrap flash in the html5 api if the browser doesn't support it: http://gettingsoftware.posterous.com/html5flash-using-html5-video-and-audio-right It's a great bridge to get us from where we are today to where we need to be a few years from now. @John Dowdell – yeah, I tried it in IE 8 and it seems to be working fine.

The fragment itself is pretty simple and doesn’t show many of the advanced features. I could add autoplay which all of the html5-video browsers support.

As for script access someone is working on a neat little access library that will wrap flash in the html5 api if the browser doesn’t support it:

http://gettingsoftware.posterous.com/html5flash-using-html5-video-and-audio-right

It’s a great bridge to get us from where we are today to where we need to be a few years from now.

]]> By: John Dowdell http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/html5-video-fallbacks-markup/comment-page-1/#comment-854 John Dowdell Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:18:01 +0000 http://hacks.mozilla.org/?p=759#comment-854 Hi Chris, have you tested that in Internet Explorer yet? My memory is that they dropped understanding EMBED a few versions back, sticking with just the OBJECT that they invented and managed to get HTML4 to approve. Does the above fragment actually work across all browsers, and for parameters such as script access, autoplay and such...? tx, jd/adobe Hi Chris, have you tested that in Internet Explorer yet? My memory is that they dropped understanding EMBED a few versions back, sticking with just the OBJECT that they invented and managed to get HTML4 to approve.

Does the above fragment actually work across all browsers, and for parameters such as script access, autoplay and such…?

tx, jd/adobe

]]> By: Joly MacFie http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/html5-video-fallbacks-markup/comment-page-1/#comment-847 Joly MacFie Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:56:26 +0000 http://hacks.mozilla.org/?p=759#comment-847 Is there somewhere that gives all the syntax for the tag? Is it possible to specify a seperate thumbnail? Resize the video? Is there somewhere that gives all the syntax for the tag?

Is it possible to specify a seperate thumbnail?

Resize the video?

]]> By: zcorpan http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/html5-video-fallbacks-markup/comment-page-1/#comment-822 zcorpan Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:10:00 +0000 http://hacks.mozilla.org/?p=759#comment-822 Craig, both WebKit and Firefox do conform to the spec AFAICT, as I've commented in the bug. Craig, both WebKit and Firefox do conform to the spec AFAICT, as I’ve commented in the bug.

]]> By: Adrian http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/html5-video-fallbacks-markup/comment-page-1/#comment-820 Adrian Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:14:12 +0000 http://hacks.mozilla.org/?p=759#comment-820 It looks like that users cannot fully control the video play process. For example. I open this page and play the video, however I find a problem that I have no way to reply it-- once I tried to drop it to start point and click play, the video shows me the face as loading. I use Firefox 3.5 RC2 English version on Windows XP SP3. It looks like that users cannot fully control the video play process. For example. I open this page and play the video, however I find a problem that I have no way to reply it– once I tried to drop it to start point and click play, the video shows me the face as loading.

I use Firefox 3.5 RC2 English version on Windows XP SP3.

]]> By: Ken Saunders http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/html5-video-fallbacks-markup/comment-page-1/#comment-819 Ken Saunders Wed, 24 Jun 2009 06:59:38 +0000 http://hacks.mozilla.org/?p=759#comment-819 This is all well and good, but doesn't it mean that I'd have to upload and store videos in several different formats on my site? I'm not willing to do that or even write the extra coding no matter how basic that it is. I suppose it comes down to how badly that you want a visitor to your site to see a video. I'll stick with learning more about open video and providing it on my sites. :) This is all well and good, but doesn’t it mean that I’d have to upload and store videos in several different formats on my site?

I’m not willing to do that or even write the extra coding no matter how basic that it is.

I suppose it comes down to how badly that you want a visitor to your site to see a video.

I’ll stick with learning more about open video and providing it on my sites. :)

]]> By: Kevin http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/html5-video-fallbacks-markup/comment-page-1/#comment-815 Kevin Wed, 24 Jun 2009 04:57:47 +0000 http://hacks.mozilla.org/?p=759#comment-815 @Matt Yeah thanks. I figured that out just after I posted the comment. Removing it makes it work as expected in Firefox, now if only Safari/Webkit/Quicktime would get together and get theirs to not buffer unless told to. @Matt Yeah thanks. I figured that out just after I posted the comment. Removing it makes it work as expected in Firefox, now if only Safari/Webkit/Quicktime would get together and get theirs to not buffer unless told to.

]]> By: 颠覆网络35天 ─ 使用标记来满足HTML5 video向前兼容 < MJiA http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/html5-video-fallbacks-markup/comment-page-1/#comment-813 颠覆网络35天 ─ 使用标记来满足HTML5 video向前兼容 < MJiA Wed, 24 Jun 2009 03:09:01 +0000 http://hacks.mozilla.org/?p=759#comment-813 [...] 原文地址：html5 video fallbacks with markup 系列地址：颠覆网络35天 [...] [...] 原文地址：html5 video fallbacks with markup 系列地址：颠覆网络35天 [...]

]]> By: Matthew Gregan http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/html5-video-fallbacks-markup/comment-page-1/#comment-802 Matthew Gregan Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:54:26 +0000 http://hacks.mozilla.org/?p=759#comment-802 @Kevin Yes, autobuffer is off by default as of Firefox 3.5 RC1. We now download only enough data to decode the first frame of the video. The presence of the autobuffer attribute signals that the author would like the entire video to be buffered. Note that autobuffer is what HTML5 calls a "boolean attribute"[0], where the presence of the attribute means the value is true, and the absence of the attribute means the value is false. So "autobuffer=false" is invalid markup, which is why it doesn't do what you expect. [0] http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/infrastructure.html#boolean-attribute @Kevin Yes, autobuffer is off by default as of Firefox 3.5 RC1. We now download only enough data to decode the first frame of the video. The presence of the autobuffer attribute signals that the author would like the entire video to be buffered. Note that autobuffer is what HTML5 calls a “boolean attribute”[0], where the presence of the attribute means the value is true, and the absence of the attribute means the value is false. So “autobuffer=false” is invalid markup, which is why it doesn’t do what you expect.

[0] http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/infrastructure.html#boolean-attribute

]]> By: Craig http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/html5-video-fallbacks-markup/comment-page-1/#comment-794 Craig Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:49:43 +0000 http://hacks.mozilla.org/?p=759#comment-794 @Christopher Blizzard @Bernard van Gastel I reported a bug with firefox https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=498540 You are right - according to the html 5 specification, if the video (or audio) can not be played for any reason (including an unsupported codec), the fallback content should be displayed. I do not use webkit (at the moment). Can someone please file a similar bug with them? IMHO, this sort of non-compliance to the specification (especially such a young spec) is very bad, and should be fixed ASAP. I hope Webkit and Mozilla handle this non-compliance quickly. @Christopher Blizzard @Bernard van Gastel

I reported a bug with firefox https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=498540 You are right – according to the html 5 specification, if the video (or audio) can not be played for any reason (including an unsupported codec), the fallback content should be displayed.

I do not use webkit (at the moment). Can someone please file a similar bug with them?

IMHO, this sort of non-compliance to the specification (especially such a young spec) is very bad, and should be fixed ASAP. I hope Webkit and Mozilla handle this non-compliance quickly.

]]> By: Kevin http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/html5-video-fallbacks-markup/comment-page-1/#comment-789 Kevin Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:25:41 +0000 http://hacks.mozilla.org/?p=759#comment-789 Is autobuffer supposed to be off by default? Because not including the parameter stops Firefox from autobuffering the video, but not Safari where Quicktime continues to download the entire video as soon as the page is loaded. Is autobuffer supposed to be off by default? Because not including the parameter stops Firefox from autobuffering the video, but not Safari where Quicktime continues to download the entire video as soon as the page is loaded.

]]> By: Kevin http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/html5-video-fallbacks-markup/comment-page-1/#comment-788 Kevin Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:18:18 +0000 http://hacks.mozilla.org/?p=759#comment-788 Does the autobuffer param do anything yet? I want to embed 3-4 videos on a page, but even with autobuffer set to false, Quicktime in Safari and the Theora player in Firefox start downloading all of the videos on the page as soon as the page is loaded. Which isn't something I want it to do without the user saying so, especially for users on bandwidth caps. Does the autobuffer param do anything yet? I want to embed 3-4 videos on a page, but even with autobuffer set to false, Quicktime in Safari and the Theora player in Firefox start downloading all of the videos on the page as soon as the page is loaded. Which isn’t something I want it to do without the user saying so, especially for users on bandwidth caps.

]]> By: zcorpan http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/html5-video-fallbacks-markup/comment-page-1/#comment-787 zcorpan Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:59:00 +0000 http://hacks.mozilla.org/?p=759#comment-787 It seems wordpress is inserting <br />s for each new line inside the <video> markup, which makes it invalid HTML5. Clearly, this should be fixed in wordpress. As a workaround, you can avoid new lines in <video> in the markup. It seems wordpress is inserting <br />s for each new line inside the <video> markup, which makes it invalid HTML5. Clearly, this should be fixed in wordpress. As a workaround, you can avoid new lines in <video> in the markup.

]]> By: fuck you http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/html5-video-fallbacks-markup/comment-page-1/#comment-785 fuck you Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:05:27 +0000 http://hacks.mozilla.org/?p=759#comment-785 What a fucking retard, the guy on the video. What a fucking retard, the guy on the video.

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