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		<title>By: Sebastien</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/color-correction/comment-page-3/#comment-34056</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Color management still doesn’t work in FF 3.5.2 on my wide gamut, 
&gt; hardwarecalibrated NEC SpectraView 2690. Even with tagged Images
&gt; colors are oversaturated. FF 3.0.x instead works fine

Same here, except that I can not even get it to work on FF 3.0.15.
Running a Dell C22W (Crystal), calibrated, and pointing to the profile using gfx.color_management.display_profile and gfx.color_management.enabled set to On. From a DNG file in Lightroom, I exported a JPEG in Adobe RGB and the same in sRGB. Both look identical when displayed from Lightroom (i.e. color managed), but both look oversatured in FF. If color management is disabled, only the Adobe RGB will look correct, i.e. pretty much identical to the one in LR, since it&#039;s send straight to the wide gamut monitor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Color management still doesn’t work in FF 3.5.2 on my wide gamut,<br />
&gt; hardwarecalibrated NEC SpectraView 2690. Even with tagged Images<br />
&gt; colors are oversaturated. FF 3.0.x instead works fine</p>
<p>Same here, except that I can not even get it to work on FF 3.0.15.<br />
Running a Dell C22W (Crystal), calibrated, and pointing to the profile using gfx.color_management.display_profile and gfx.color_management.enabled set to On. From a DNG file in Lightroom, I exported a JPEG in Adobe RGB and the same in sRGB. Both look identical when displayed from Lightroom (i.e. color managed), but both look oversatured in FF. If color management is disabled, only the Adobe RGB will look correct, i.e. pretty much identical to the one in LR, since it&#8217;s send straight to the wide gamut monitor.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/color-correction/comment-page-3/#comment-32074</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok --- so, after a LOT of reading what I have figured out is:

Using Photoshop CS4 to create JPEG images that are sRGB tagged means that I&#039;m left with v4 ICC profiles that Firefox 3.5.x doesn&#039;t interpret correctly and THAT is why all my images look like sh+t in Firefox now? (ie: over saturated like crazy, for starters.) Is this right?

I used to LOVE FF. Why&#039;d you go and break it? I can&#039;t even use it anymore.

BTW: That notion of stripping the color profile information out of all of our images is absolutely crazy. Fix the browser! PLEASE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok &#8212; so, after a LOT of reading what I have figured out is:</p>
<p>Using Photoshop CS4 to create JPEG images that are sRGB tagged means that I&#8217;m left with v4 ICC profiles that Firefox 3.5.x doesn&#8217;t interpret correctly and THAT is why all my images look like sh+t in Firefox now? (ie: over saturated like crazy, for starters.) Is this right?</p>
<p>I used to LOVE FF. Why&#8217;d you go and break it? I can&#8217;t even use it anymore.</p>
<p>BTW: That notion of stripping the color profile information out of all of our images is absolutely crazy. Fix the browser! PLEASE.</p>
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		<title>By: develz.org &#187; iNove theme is great! FF&#8217;s color correction sucks!</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/color-correction/comment-page-3/#comment-25797</link>
		<dc:creator>develz.org &#187; iNove theme is great! FF&#8217;s color correction sucks!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 22:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] PNGs and JPGs converted to GIFs.. you ask why? I&#8217;m using Firefox 3.5.1 at work and it&#8217;s color correction sucks greatly! The bottom and footer images where actually corrected to brown and didn&#8217;t fit [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] PNGs and JPGs converted to GIFs.. you ask why? I&#8217;m using Firefox 3.5.1 at work and it&#8217;s color correction sucks greatly! The bottom and footer images where actually corrected to brown and didn&#8217;t fit [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tozz</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/color-correction/comment-page-3/#comment-15372</link>
		<dc:creator>tozz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 16:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What most people doesn&#039;t seem to realize is that the biggest problem for a lot of people is that their very expensive equipment generates ICC v4 profiles for their hardware.
My Eizo CG241W that has hardware calibration will generate a ICC v4 profile, this means Firefox 3.5 won&#039;t read it, and it doesn&#039;t matter what the rest of the images in the world has or hasn&#039;t, since it&#039;s &quot;broken&quot; from the start.
The only browser that supports ICC v4 today is Safari. The Chrome developers seems as ignorant about the problem as the Mozilla developers. Opera doesn&#039;t even care about colors, it&#039;s kind of annoying to use two browsers for daily browsing (since I visit a lot of photography related sites) but as it stands right now it&#039;s the only way.

I just can&#039;t grasp how the Mozilla team could fail so miserably with this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What most people doesn&#8217;t seem to realize is that the biggest problem for a lot of people is that their very expensive equipment generates ICC v4 profiles for their hardware.<br />
My Eizo CG241W that has hardware calibration will generate a ICC v4 profile, this means Firefox 3.5 won&#8217;t read it, and it doesn&#8217;t matter what the rest of the images in the world has or hasn&#8217;t, since it&#8217;s &#8220;broken&#8221; from the start.<br />
The only browser that supports ICC v4 today is Safari. The Chrome developers seems as ignorant about the problem as the Mozilla developers. Opera doesn&#8217;t even care about colors, it&#8217;s kind of annoying to use two browsers for daily browsing (since I visit a lot of photography related sites) but as it stands right now it&#8217;s the only way.</p>
<p>I just can&#8217;t grasp how the Mozilla team could fail so miserably with this.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Hildebrand</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/color-correction/comment-page-3/#comment-15370</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Hildebrand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 15:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s still a major isue.

RGB colors will not match up with CSS colors, as they would if turning profile recognition on or off was an option, with the option set to &quot;off&quot;, for the vast majority of casual Web visitors that know nothing about it. There are many of us that never bothered to strip the color profiles out of photographs, because it was an unnecessary extra step to do so.

I have scads of sRGB images and graphics on my site mixed with CSS &quot;matching&quot; (at least they were matching at one time, Mozilla) backgrounds. Since you can&#039;t have irregular borders where CSS and RGB colors butt together, that has to be done by floating an image over a rectange of CSS color. Now, these don&#039;t match.  Take a look at the two examples below. The first shows a photograph with an irregular border dropped into a CSS field that at one time, matched the surrounding CSS background. Now, you see the entire rectangle of the image area, because the CSS color used as a background now is displayed as a managed color, unlike the surrounding CSS page background color:
http://www.hildebrandstudio.com/seniors/sen_gal_frame.html


Then, here&#039;s the blog theme I modified with a custom header. Instead of seamlessly blending into the surrounding CSS background, it looks like pure unaldulterated crap:

http://www.hildebrandstudio.com/blog/

If Mozilla would just deliver FF with color profiles off, those of us needing hundreds of hours of reworking our sites to accomodate this could simply warn visitors to turn the profiles off to view our sites. Hell, I&#039;d even post a page telling people how to do that!  Now, I just tell visitors not to use FF if they want to see the site as intended.

Ron Hildebrand</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s still a major isue.</p>
<p>RGB colors will not match up with CSS colors, as they would if turning profile recognition on or off was an option, with the option set to &#8220;off&#8221;, for the vast majority of casual Web visitors that know nothing about it. There are many of us that never bothered to strip the color profiles out of photographs, because it was an unnecessary extra step to do so.</p>
<p>I have scads of sRGB images and graphics on my site mixed with CSS &#8220;matching&#8221; (at least they were matching at one time, Mozilla) backgrounds. Since you can&#8217;t have irregular borders where CSS and RGB colors butt together, that has to be done by floating an image over a rectange of CSS color. Now, these don&#8217;t match.  Take a look at the two examples below. The first shows a photograph with an irregular border dropped into a CSS field that at one time, matched the surrounding CSS background. Now, you see the entire rectangle of the image area, because the CSS color used as a background now is displayed as a managed color, unlike the surrounding CSS page background color:<br />
<a href="http://www.hildebrandstudio.com/seniors/sen_gal_frame.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.hildebrandstudio.com/seniors/sen_gal_frame.html</a></p>
<p>Then, here&#8217;s the blog theme I modified with a custom header. Instead of seamlessly blending into the surrounding CSS background, it looks like pure unaldulterated crap:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.hildebrandstudio.com/blog/" rel="nofollow">http://www.hildebrandstudio.com/blog/</a></p>
<p>If Mozilla would just deliver FF with color profiles off, those of us needing hundreds of hours of reworking our sites to accomodate this could simply warn visitors to turn the profiles off to view our sites. Hell, I&#8217;d even post a page telling people how to do that!  Now, I just tell visitors not to use FF if they want to see the site as intended.</p>
<p>Ron Hildebrand</p>
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		<title>By: Fuki</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/color-correction/comment-page-3/#comment-15368</link>
		<dc:creator>Fuki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wrong. FF shouldn&#039;t display equally all &quot;sRGB&quot; images and all non-tagged images. This would work if your environment is &quot;sRGB&quot;, but with wide-gamut LCD monitors that has changed...

I use Windows Vista and have &quot;Dell 2407WFP-HC&quot; (the color gamut on this monitor almost matches &quot;Adobe RGB&quot; and is significantly wider than &quot;sRGB&quot;).

So...

I&#039;ve just tested FF 3.5.3 with 4 images:
-&quot;sRGB&quot; image with embedded profile
-&quot;sRGB&quot; image without embedded profile
-&quot;Adobe RGB&quot; image with embedded profile
-&quot;Adobe RGB&quot; image without embedded profile

I left &quot;gfx.color_management.mode&quot; on its default setting: 2.

The results are:

FF is displaying everything as it should!
Images with profiles are displayed correctly (as in Photoshop).
Images without profiles are displayed with distorted colors (as they should :) ). Even &quot;sRGB&quot; images are displayed with distorted colors because FF displays them in your monitors gamut and if you have some new wide-gamut LCD (like me) the images will be displayed according to your monitors gamut.

The solution to the problem...

All images SHOULD HAVE proper tags embedded! That&#039;s it.
If your image does not have proper ICC profile embedded, don&#039;t cry to FF because colors don&#039;t match on some monitors!
Most (I think ALL) recent point-and-shoot cameras embed &quot;sRGB&quot; profile with the images so this wouldn&#039;t be a problem. And if you&#039;re a pro than you should have known better.

BTW Good work Mozilla!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wrong. FF shouldn&#8217;t display equally all &#8220;sRGB&#8221; images and all non-tagged images. This would work if your environment is &#8220;sRGB&#8221;, but with wide-gamut LCD monitors that has changed&#8230;</p>
<p>I use Windows Vista and have &#8220;Dell 2407WFP-HC&#8221; (the color gamut on this monitor almost matches &#8220;Adobe RGB&#8221; and is significantly wider than &#8220;sRGB&#8221;).</p>
<p>So&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just tested FF 3.5.3 with 4 images:<br />
-&#8221;sRGB&#8221; image with embedded profile<br />
-&#8221;sRGB&#8221; image without embedded profile<br />
-&#8221;Adobe RGB&#8221; image with embedded profile<br />
-&#8221;Adobe RGB&#8221; image without embedded profile</p>
<p>I left &#8220;gfx.color_management.mode&#8221; on its default setting: 2.</p>
<p>The results are:</p>
<p>FF is displaying everything as it should!<br />
Images with profiles are displayed correctly (as in Photoshop).<br />
Images without profiles are displayed with distorted colors (as they should <img src='http://hacks.mozilla.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ). Even &#8220;sRGB&#8221; images are displayed with distorted colors because FF displays them in your monitors gamut and if you have some new wide-gamut LCD (like me) the images will be displayed according to your monitors gamut.</p>
<p>The solution to the problem&#8230;</p>
<p>All images SHOULD HAVE proper tags embedded! That&#8217;s it.<br />
If your image does not have proper ICC profile embedded, don&#8217;t cry to FF because colors don&#8217;t match on some monitors!<br />
Most (I think ALL) recent point-and-shoot cameras embed &#8220;sRGB&#8221; profile with the images so this wouldn&#8217;t be a problem. And if you&#8217;re a pro than you should have known better.</p>
<p>BTW Good work Mozilla!</p>
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		<title>By: Tama</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/color-correction/comment-page-3/#comment-15328</link>
		<dc:creator>Tama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 03:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Earlier browsers didn’t even try!&quot;

And earlier browsers didn&#039;t make my images look like crap.

Mozilla is way over-assuming the technical expertise of someone who may happen to know how to upload an image taken with a digital camera and possibly tweaked with some software. I still, after reading and trying like mad to understand what this is all about, am in the dark. Color profiles? sRGB? CSS? TweakPNG? I know the difference between RGB and CMYK and that&#039;s about it.

I like FF but please try to remember that LAYPEOPLE use this browser!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Earlier browsers didn’t even try!&#8221;</p>
<p>And earlier browsers didn&#8217;t make my images look like crap.</p>
<p>Mozilla is way over-assuming the technical expertise of someone who may happen to know how to upload an image taken with a digital camera and possibly tweaked with some software. I still, after reading and trying like mad to understand what this is all about, am in the dark. Color profiles? sRGB? CSS? TweakPNG? I know the difference between RGB and CMYK and that&#8217;s about it.</p>
<p>I like FF but please try to remember that LAYPEOPLE use this browser!!</p>
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		<title>By: Fuki</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/color-correction/comment-page-3/#comment-15271</link>
		<dc:creator>Fuki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 10:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FF should render the same all sRGB images and all non-tagged images. And that&#039;s the end of the problem! I&#039;m not sure why it has not happened in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FF should render the same all sRGB images and all non-tagged images. And that&#8217;s the end of the problem! I&#8217;m not sure why it has not happened in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Alexander</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/color-correction/comment-page-3/#comment-15109</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I understand all the dismay on this.  Especially:

&quot;I mean rendering colors should be a decision formed by the artist not the browser.&quot;

Then Firefox 3.5 should be a good thing.  Now, rendering colors is a decision formed by the artist.  Earlier, rendering colors was a decision formed by the browser.  Problems result when artists are used to having browsers ignore embedded color profiles and have edited images to get them to look good when the color profile is ignored... but have still maintained the embedded color profiles.  The artist is sending mixed messages to any program that attempts to interpret the images.  The artist created an image with an embedded color profile telling the program one thing, but the artist didn&#039;t intend for the program to pay attention to that embedded color profile.  Can we really blame programmers for not being able to create programs that can accurate interpret the artist&#039;s intent?  Earlier browsers didn&#039;t even try!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I understand all the dismay on this.  Especially:</p>
<p>&#8220;I mean rendering colors should be a decision formed by the artist not the browser.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then Firefox 3.5 should be a good thing.  Now, rendering colors is a decision formed by the artist.  Earlier, rendering colors was a decision formed by the browser.  Problems result when artists are used to having browsers ignore embedded color profiles and have edited images to get them to look good when the color profile is ignored&#8230; but have still maintained the embedded color profiles.  The artist is sending mixed messages to any program that attempts to interpret the images.  The artist created an image with an embedded color profile telling the program one thing, but the artist didn&#8217;t intend for the program to pay attention to that embedded color profile.  Can we really blame programmers for not being able to create programs that can accurate interpret the artist&#8217;s intent?  Earlier browsers didn&#8217;t even try!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/color-correction/comment-page-3/#comment-14955</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 01:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: &quot;In a future release of Firefox we are likely to make it possible for people to turn on color correction for (un)tagged images and CSS.&quot; 
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If you haven&#039;t figured out how to do this yet, you&#039;re obvious not ready to have colour correction by default. 
If you think your colour correction is better, when you do figure this out, rather than making it &#039;possible for people to turn on&#039;, will you make it the default (as the main problem is the mismatching)? If so how soon can we expect this? In the meantime are you going to revert back until you&#039;re actually ready to have colour correction by default? I&#039;m just wondering if it&#039;s worth wasting time now if you&#039;re going to fix this very serious problem sometime soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: &#8220;In a future release of Firefox we are likely to make it possible for people to turn on color correction for (un)tagged images and CSS.&#8221;<br />
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If you haven&#8217;t figured out how to do this yet, you&#8217;re obvious not ready to have colour correction by default.<br />
If you think your colour correction is better, when you do figure this out, rather than making it &#8216;possible for people to turn on&#8217;, will you make it the default (as the main problem is the mismatching)? If so how soon can we expect this? In the meantime are you going to revert back until you&#8217;re actually ready to have colour correction by default? I&#8217;m just wondering if it&#8217;s worth wasting time now if you&#8217;re going to fix this very serious problem sometime soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Tama</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/color-correction/comment-page-3/#comment-14639</link>
		<dc:creator>Tama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 07:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, although I THOUGHT 3.5.2 was going to do the trick, alas, I am still having over-saturated images. It&#039;s better, but any image that is subtle looks horrible. I thought this was fixed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, although I THOUGHT 3.5.2 was going to do the trick, alas, I am still having over-saturated images. It&#8217;s better, but any image that is subtle looks horrible. I thought this was fixed.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/color-correction/comment-page-3/#comment-13927</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 06:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently noticed many images were coming up with a green cast. I thought something was wrong with my monitor. Then I noticed that sometimes the thumbnail image looked ok but wen I clicked on the image the enlarged (jpg) image had a green cast. So this must be happening in the browser I say to myself. A google search pointed me to color management in 3.5.2 and now I am embroiled in a maze of acronyms - CSS, ICC, PCS etc - yikes - I just want pictures to display properly! So I turn off color management (set gfx.color_management.mode to 0) and things look ok now. I guess my monitor profile is not set correctly - but who has time to track that down???  Not that I am the sharpest blade in the drawer, but I&#039;m guessing many users will be thinking it is time to buy a new monitor! Geez - Firefox is helping Dell sell monitors...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently noticed many images were coming up with a green cast. I thought something was wrong with my monitor. Then I noticed that sometimes the thumbnail image looked ok but wen I clicked on the image the enlarged (jpg) image had a green cast. So this must be happening in the browser I say to myself. A google search pointed me to color management in 3.5.2 and now I am embroiled in a maze of acronyms &#8211; CSS, ICC, PCS etc &#8211; yikes &#8211; I just want pictures to display properly! So I turn off color management (set gfx.color_management.mode to 0) and things look ok now. I guess my monitor profile is not set correctly &#8211; but who has time to track that down???  Not that I am the sharpest blade in the drawer, but I&#8217;m guessing many users will be thinking it is time to buy a new monitor! Geez &#8211; Firefox is helping Dell sell monitors&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ardarvin</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/color-correction/comment-page-3/#comment-13815</link>
		<dc:creator>ardarvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 22:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Most images on the web are untagged. If you don’t know the difference between tagged images and untagged images the odds are good are you won’t notice this change.&quot;

Lies. I, like most people in this comment thread, knew nothing of color profiles before ff3.5 and now our sites look like garbage.  Photoshop adds these tags to PNG and JPG images.

Please PLEASE turn off color correction by default. I really don&#039;t want to have to go through all my images and delete their color profiles (probably to have Photoshop just add them in again). This is such a bad &quot;feature&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Most images on the web are untagged. If you don’t know the difference between tagged images and untagged images the odds are good are you won’t notice this change.&#8221;</p>
<p>Lies. I, like most people in this comment thread, knew nothing of color profiles before ff3.5 and now our sites look like garbage.  Photoshop adds these tags to PNG and JPG images.</p>
<p>Please PLEASE turn off color correction by default. I really don&#8217;t want to have to go through all my images and delete their color profiles (probably to have Photoshop just add them in again). This is such a bad &#8220;feature&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: marco panichi</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/color-correction/comment-page-3/#comment-13468</link>
		<dc:creator>marco panichi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i made a site for a customer and...terrible surprise! blue png header was darker (than the background) in his old mac+safari! 

and then I googled and find this article...good job

but...this problem is really annoying...I will have to TweakPNG every image? nahhh.... :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i made a site for a customer and&#8230;terrible surprise! blue png header was darker (than the background) in his old mac+safari! </p>
<p>and then I googled and find this article&#8230;good job</p>
<p>but&#8230;this problem is really annoying&#8230;I will have to TweakPNG every image? nahhh&#8230;. <img src='http://hacks.mozilla.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Colour management again &#171; discomblogulations</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/color-correction/comment-page-3/#comment-12603</link>
		<dc:creator>Colour management again &#171; discomblogulations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Posted by dscmblgltns on August 25, 2009  A reminder not to upgrade to Firefox 3.5 yet, as there are unresolved colour management issues. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Posted by dscmblgltns on August 25, 2009  A reminder not to upgrade to Firefox 3.5 yet, as there are unresolved colour management issues. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Firefox 3.5 Rilasciato &#171; Mondo Informatica - Blog</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/color-correction/comment-page-3/#comment-12253</link>
		<dc:creator>Firefox 3.5 Rilasciato &#171; Mondo Informatica - Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] supporto alla memorizzazione dei dati in locale e in modalità non in linea, profili colore ICC e trasformazioni SVG; - un motore JavaScript tutto nuovo (TraceMonkey) che, grazie alla [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] supporto alla memorizzazione dei dati in locale e in modalità non in linea, profili colore ICC e trasformazioni SVG; &#8211; un motore JavaScript tutto nuovo (TraceMonkey) che, grazie alla [...]</p>
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		<title>By: gvim</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/color-correction/comment-page-3/#comment-11066</link>
		<dc:creator>gvim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great thinking, Mozilla. As usual the tyrrany of the geek eating his own tail ends in disaster for all. The principle of KISS was long ago lost with Firefox developers who seem to be intent on imploding. Build a great browser to unseat M$ then trash it. Get serious and turn this stupid &quot;feature&quot; off by default. If you must have it on by default at least provide some decent menu item for non-geeks to disable rather than fiddling with about:config.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great thinking, Mozilla. As usual the tyrrany of the geek eating his own tail ends in disaster for all. The principle of KISS was long ago lost with Firefox developers who seem to be intent on imploding. Build a great browser to unseat M$ then trash it. Get serious and turn this stupid &#8220;feature&#8221; off by default. If you must have it on by default at least provide some decent menu item for non-geeks to disable rather than fiddling with about:config.</p>
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		<title>By: Massic</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/color-correction/comment-page-3/#comment-10280</link>
		<dc:creator>Massic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really don&#039;t understand why this happened. I switched to Firefox from IE because it was straightforward and ran a low profile on my system. With the buggy new version releases and especially now with this color profile issue, I really have to wonder as to the direction that it&#039;s developers are going in.

I&#039;m an artist by trade and while I do enjoy an opportunity to learn more about web development, I do not appreciate it when a formerly reliable piece of software has forced me to the issue by rendering my work unacceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really don&#8217;t understand why this happened. I switched to Firefox from IE because it was straightforward and ran a low profile on my system. With the buggy new version releases and especially now with this color profile issue, I really have to wonder as to the direction that it&#8217;s developers are going in.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m an artist by trade and while I do enjoy an opportunity to learn more about web development, I do not appreciate it when a formerly reliable piece of software has forced me to the issue by rendering my work unacceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: jpn</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/color-correction/comment-page-3/#comment-9313</link>
		<dc:creator>jpn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 05:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Color management still doesn&#039;t work in FF 3.5.2 on my wide gamut, hardwarecalibrated NEC SpectraView 2690. Even with tagged Images colors are oversaturated. FF 3.0.x instead works fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Color management still doesn&#8217;t work in FF 3.5.2 on my wide gamut, hardwarecalibrated NEC SpectraView 2690. Even with tagged Images colors are oversaturated. FF 3.0.x instead works fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Hildebrand</title>
		<link>http://hacks.mozilla.org/2009/06/color-correction/comment-page-3/#comment-8264</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Hildebrand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ric Grupe wrote:

I assume this issue has been resolved.

I compared a jpeg in photoshop CS4 side by side with one I had uploaded to SmugMug and see no difference using FF 3.5.2.
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I&#039;m not sure how this actually tests the issue, Ric. CS4 will display your jpg with any embedded profile, and that&#039;s what the new versions of FF do, too, so you will not see any difference between the images in your comparison, since you are not comparing matched CSS and RGB colors in your test.

Browsers have been &quot;profile blind&quot; up until now, so matching a CSS color in html with the same color in a profiled (probably most often, sRGB) jpg image resulted in an on-screen match to the viewer. Now, with FF recognizing the profile by defualt (instead of supplying FF with profile recognition off by default), CSS and image colors will not match. You have to actually strip the profile from an image now to get a match between the same colors in CSS and RGB. For many web owners, this means either many, many hours of reworking affected images to strip RGB profiles, or having a crappy looking site when viewed with FF. 

Implementation of profile recoginition is a good thing. But introducing it with this feature on by default, instead of keeping it as an optional choice made by the user, blindsides site owners who have never had to deal with this issue. Firefox continues, it seems, to think this is no big deal, but to those of us who have spent hundreds of hours on sites that now look like crap thanks to this clumsy inplementation of profile recognition, it is.

Ron Hildebrand</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ric Grupe wrote:</p>
<p>I assume this issue has been resolved.</p>
<p>I compared a jpeg in photoshop CS4 side by side with one I had uploaded to SmugMug and see no difference using FF 3.5.2.<br />
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I&#8217;m not sure how this actually tests the issue, Ric. CS4 will display your jpg with any embedded profile, and that&#8217;s what the new versions of FF do, too, so you will not see any difference between the images in your comparison, since you are not comparing matched CSS and RGB colors in your test.</p>
<p>Browsers have been &#8220;profile blind&#8221; up until now, so matching a CSS color in html with the same color in a profiled (probably most often, sRGB) jpg image resulted in an on-screen match to the viewer. Now, with FF recognizing the profile by defualt (instead of supplying FF with profile recognition off by default), CSS and image colors will not match. You have to actually strip the profile from an image now to get a match between the same colors in CSS and RGB. For many web owners, this means either many, many hours of reworking affected images to strip RGB profiles, or having a crappy looking site when viewed with FF. </p>
<p>Implementation of profile recoginition is a good thing. But introducing it with this feature on by default, instead of keeping it as an optional choice made by the user, blindsides site owners who have never had to deal with this issue. Firefox continues, it seems, to think this is no big deal, but to those of us who have spent hundreds of hours on sites that now look like crap thanks to this clumsy inplementation of profile recognition, it is.</p>
<p>Ron Hildebrand</p>
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